DREGS DISPATCH WG Ad Hoc
Chairs: Eric Burger, Mary Barnes
Note taker: Shida Schubert
- Agenda Bash
- John explained the background.
- Jon.P asked why DRINKS not appropriate for this and asked whether a
mini-WG is indeed needed.
- Mary explained that AD insisted that it is to be discussed in
DISPATCH.
- Cullen explaining it seemed appropriate to put it through DISPATCH
process to see how it should be handled.
- John Explained the scope of the charter.
- Adam asked whether the charter will include the mechanism to be used.
- John admitted that charter will have a text on the mechanism to be
used.
- Jon.P asked if there is enough expertise in the room to discuss the
rational of usage of REGISTER to justify the text on mech. used in
charter.
- Spencer explained that if the mechanism suggested is not used then
it's not worth working on.
- Ben argued that mechanism to be used is already in the charter.
- Jon.P sees no problem with the fact that charter speficies the
solution in the charter, but sees importance in discussing the
mechanism to be used.
- Eric explained why REGISTER is proposed here.
- Alan explained how if other mechanism is used then it will break a
lot of the deployments.
- Christer from CableLab expressing that REGISTER is currently used
and don't want any delay.
- Jim agreed to some others that REGISTER be not be specified in the
charter, it doesn't exclude it to be the solution.
- Adam agreed.
- asked what the definition of small/medium SIP-PBX.
- John answered up to few hundreds end points.
- Eric argued that large enterprise uses RFC3263 and that this is
indeed for small to medium company.
- Markus asked how the endpoint will actually registers to the SIP-PBX.
- John/Eric explained that it's a local policy.
- John explained that it's all in the SIP Connect specification.
- John explained the rest of the slide.
- Barboba asked if the mileston is not too optimistic.
- Some agreed.
- Some hum suggestion from Jon.
> Taking out REGISTER from the charter text, option-tag etc.etc.
- Spencer has some concern about derailing from using REGISTER as it
will be harder for people to implement compared to use of REGISTER
which modifies something people already implelment.
- Jon re-enphasized that all he is asking is to remove the text on
use of REGISTER from the charter which doesn't preclude the use of
REGISTER as a solution.
- Spencer shows concern that leaving out the text on REGISTER or not
deciding the technology used today, will delay the overall process and
potentially make the work irrelevant.
- Eric presenting the questions to hum on.
Q1: Leave the text as is.
- Some hum.
Q2: Take out the solution space.
- Louder hum.
- Cullen asked whether Dynamic DNS is going to be an option now that
solution is removed?
- Eric re-emphasizing if other approach is taken no one will accept
the IETF solution.
- John Elwell saying if non REGISTER approach is adopted it will not
be adopted.
- Christer from CableLab agress with John Elwell.
- Spencer explains that it may not be the right mechanism but it's
what's going to be used with more likelihood.
- Adam questions why we are talking about the solution and not the
problem space.
- Alan Johnston wanted to have the discussion on the use of REGISTER.
What we do have to be deployable and not just a theoretical excercise.
- Jim explained how some of what's debated, such as "the solution
needs to be something that will be deployed" can be included in the
charter.
Q3: Is there critical mass in IETF to work on the problem?
- Eric comments as IETF and SIPForum participants are the same,
indeed critical mass is in the room.
- Robert disagrees that many of the SIPForum participants aren't
here and that doesn't understand the culture of IETF.
- Adam agrees to contribute.
- Eric paraphrased the question by saying if people think there is
not the critical mass to work on the problem.
- YES.
Q4: Is this the right place to do the work?
- No objection.
Q5: Will WG have high probability of success?
- No comments.
- Spencer asked what will be the realistic date for completion of this
work?
- Jim thinks may be to have a charter by January is the likely
outcome.
- John expresses that SIPForum needs a realistic date.
- Jim suggests March for WG or charter to be formed/finalized and June
for the deliverable to be LC.
- Robert is uncomfortable that there isn't sufficient overlap between
SIPForum/IETF to succeed.
- Spencer believes that last call on the topic had almost half of the
participants participating in both organization, dismissing Robert's
concern.
- Jon thinks that it's easier to solve if it's all about the telephone
number, but if it's about the domain he's uncomfortable and is a lot
more difficult to solve.
- Alan is happy with the suggestion Jon made.