sipping second session note taker: Bruce Lowekamp service id fluffy spencer: aye clarification: bullet 2 & 3 are speculative, need to have bullet 1 first poll: adding wg milestone for bullet 1 unanimous in favor move to mmusic anat/ice ipv6 transition jdr question: how do we need to comply with ANAT? we can comply with it by ignoring it because there are other mechanisms in ICE a lot of discussion about which documents work for the v6 transfer, especially for multimedia. seems to be an open question and unclear who understands all the issues. add another option: let ice proceed and then do another ice mode for transition if we find the checks aren't necessary polls: option 1: v4/v6 transition will be changed to say ice is transition, ice deprecates ANAT. ice is used for dual-stack. option 2: v4/v6 is not changed to leave anat as transition, ice now describes usage with anat, anat may need to be retrieved to be fixed. rough in favor of option 1 resource sharing miguel garcia lots of discussion of how this fits/whether it fits in sip sip performance metrics A lot of debate about where this document should really be. Fortunately the draft seems to be advancing in spite of the confusion. The relevant ADs are going to discuss and make a decision. call completion denis alexeitsev poll: agree on the sip event package solution rather than bfcp. giving feedback rather than adopting doc at this point. consensus for event package solution early media in sip a lot of discussion about these problems with the two drafts, but no firm conclusions.