Notes on SIP Session 1 at IETF 68 reported by Bruce Lowekamp note well slide displayed GRUU jdr topic: do not muck with uri parameters adam roach: there might be some parameters you need to muck with. (loose route is an example motivation) jdr: will make change to loosen requirement and review existing uri-params topic: ekr's stateless token draft conclusion: a useful reference, but need some AD work to determine if this needs to be normative or not and to determine where to send EKR's draft issue: notify immediately after reg-event has a race condition. proposed solution is to resolve by stating when call-id changes, flush all temp-gruus. Discussion of change to require minimum time between reg-event and a new notify. poll: all in favor of this technique of mass expiring vs all in favor of adding timing requirement: approx a tie query: is it critical to resolve now? not many people after clarifying that the poll involves backing out the change that allows mass invalidation: 1) back out changes with no way to mass expire and require timer after updates 2) if you implement gruu-reg-event, you can invalidate with mass expire with options reversed, sparks now assumes the polling 1) like idea of bulk invalidate even if it means extra work 2) want to remove bulk invalidation and add timers small number for both options, but significantly in favor of (1) document change will remain as is ICE-option-tag jdr critical changes to 3261 process sparks jdr and sparks: if you can do this as an extension, it doesn't go in doc philip: why not repeatedly do 3489bis fluffy as ad: would cause a review of entire doc, including security section and other changes numerous speakers arguing that BNF is not critical, but clarifications are probably not fluffy as ad: will do as many things as extensions as possible. Length will also be a factor; if this gets too large, we will have to obsolete 3261.